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The Barcelona test in numbers - who went fastest, and furthest23 Feb 2015

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With four days of running at Jerez already under their belts, the teams were able to change focus slightly and begin discovering the true potential of their 2015 machines over the four-day pre-season test at Barcelona.

But which teams have made a jump forward, and which are at risk of dropping down the order? We crunch the numbers to shed some light on whose preparations appear to be coming on the strongest for the forthcoming season...

This week's unofficial aggregate test times from Barcelona:

1. Romain Grosjean, Lotus, 1m 24.067s, 111 laps

2. Nico Rosberg, Mercedes, 1m 24.321s, 197 laps

3. Pastor Maldonado, Lotus, 1m 24.348s, 173 laps

4. Daniel Ricciardo, Red Bull, 1m 24.574s, 202 laps

5. Kimi Raikkonen, Ferrari, 1m 24.584s, 164 laps

6. Felipe Massa, Williams, 1m 24.672s, 143 laps

7. Sergio Perez, Force India, 1m 24.702s, 155 laps

8. Max Verstappen, Toro Rosso, 1m 24.739s, 223 laps

9. Lewis Hamilton, Mercedes, 1m 24.923s, 201 laps

10. Daniil Kvyat, Red Bull, 1m 24.941s, 216 laps

11. Felipe Nasr, Sauber, 1m 24.956s, 152 laps

12. Valtteri Bottas, Williams, 1m 25.345s, 178 laps

13. Carlos Sainz Jr, Toro Rosso, 1m 25.604s, 188 laps

14. Fernando Alonso, McLaren, 1m 25.961s, 79 laps

15. Jolyon Palmer, Lotus, 1m 26.280s, 77 laps

16. Sebastian Vettel, Ferrari, 1m 26.312s, 181 laps

17. Marcus Ericsson, Sauber, 1m 26.340s, 166 laps

18. Nico Hulkenberg, Force India, 1m 26.591s, 36 laps

19. Pascal Wehrlein, Force India, 1m 27.333s, 113 laps

20. Jenson Button, McLaren, 1m 28.182s, 45 laps

21. Pascal Wehrlein, Mercedes, 1m 28.489s, 48 laps

22. Susie Wolff, Williams, 1m 28.906s, 86 laps

Total distance run - by team (power unit, where different): 

1. Mercedes, 446 laps - 2,076 km

2. Red Bull (Renault), 418 laps - 1,945 km

3. Toro Rosso (Renault), 411 laps - 1,913 km

4. Williams (Mercedes), 407 laps - 1,894 km

5. Lotus (Mercedes), 361 laps - 1,680 km

6. Ferrari, 345 laps - 1, 605 km

7. Sauber (Ferrari), 318 laps - 1,480 km

8. Force India (Mercedes), 304 laps - 1,415 km

9. McLaren (Honda), 124 laps - 577 km

Total distance run - by power unit:

1. Mercedes, 1,518 laps - 7,066 km

2. Renault, 829 laps - 3,858 km

3. Ferrari, 663 laps - 3,086 km

4. Honda, 124 laps - 577 km

Longest stints - by tyre compound:

Supersoft compound - 5 laps (Felipe Nasr; Sergio Perez; Pascal Wehrlein)

Soft compound - 16 laps (Valtteri Bottas)

Medium compound - 24 laps (Max Verstappen)

Prototype medium compound* - 14 laps (Daniel Ricciardo)

Hard compound - 27 laps (Valtteri Bottas)

Intermediate compound - 7 laps (Sebastian Vettel)

*Being assessed by Pirelli for development purposes

Second test comparison - Year on Year*

2014 (Bahrain) - 2,322 laps (12,566 km) completed in four days

2015 (Barcelona) - 3,134 laps (14,587 km) completed in four days

That's a 16 percent increase

2014 fastest lap in qualifying at Barcelona - 1m 25.232s (Lewis Hamilton)

2015 fastest lap in testing at Barcelona - 1m 24.067s (Romain Grosjean)

That's 1.4 percent faster

*Bahrain hosted the second pre-season test in 2014

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There is as yet no information on what caused the accident but early indications were that this was an abnormal situation.

Sebastian Vettel, who Ferrari signed was following the McLaren at the time. He said: "The speed was slow - maybe 150kph (93mph). Then he turned right into the wall. It looked strange."

Alonso somehow ended up against the wall on the inside of the track - not unusual if a car has spun on the exit of the right-hander, but photographs of the incident  show the car was still facing in the direction of travel and suggest Alonso did not spin, but rather speared across the track still heading forwards.

On the face of it, that does not sound as if he made a mistake, but nor does it suggest an obvious technical failure.

Teams always want to get to the bottom of accidents, but such an unusual set of circumstances will make that an even more pressing concern for McLaren in this situation, and it simply adds to the team's problems.

 

 

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12. Valtteri Bottas, Williams, 1m 25.345s, 178 laps

13. Carlos Sainz Jr, Toro Rosso, 1m 25.604s, 188 laps

14. Fernando Alonso, McLaren, 1m 25.961s, 79 laps

15. Jolyon Palmer, Lotus, 1m 26.280s, 77 laps

16. Sebastian Vettel, Ferrari, 1m 26.312s, 181 laps

 

 

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Volgens Sebastian wat agter Alonso gery het het hy net regs gedraai in die muur in. Wonderxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx want hy moet seker nou al besef dat sy volgende titel net n droom is. 

 

Hi Owen,  Daar is 'n verslag oor die bogenoemde stelling - kan ons nie maar bietjie meer sensitief wees m.b.t. die onderwerp nie, daar is mense wat persoonlike onderfindings het en dit is beslis dan nie in goeie smaak nie.  Ek gaan die pos edit op versoek van ander forum gebruikers - ek hoop jy verstaan.

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Hi Owen,  Daar is 'n verslag oor die bogenoemde stelling - kan ons nie maar bietjie meer sensitief wees m.b.t. die onderwerp nie, daar is mense wat persoonlike onderfindings het en dit is beslis dan nie in goeie smaak nie.  Ek gaan die pos edit op versoek van ander forum gebruikers - ek hoop jy verstaan.

Ek verstaan maar tot dat ons weet presies wat gebeur het sal die vraag altyd in die lug bly hang. Hy het of doelbewus in die muur vasgery of hy het n fout gemaak en volgens sy aanhangers het hy nie n fout gemaak nie.

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Ek verstaan maar tot dat ons weet presies wat gebeur het sal die vraag altyd in die lug bly hang. Hy het of doelbewus in die muur vasgery of hy het n fout gemaak en volgens sy aanhangers het hy nie n fout gemaak nie.

 

Dit kan 'n "design" fout ook wees, jy weet daai kar is maar soos 'n laslappie kombers. (TIK)  Dit gaan blykbaar heel goed met hom so kom ons kyk of sy mechanics en engineers vir ons kan vasstel wat daar gebeur het.

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Ek verstaan maar tot dat ons weet presies wat gebeur het sal die vraag altyd in die lug bly hang. Hy het of doelbewus in die muur vasgery of hy het n fout gemaak en volgens sy aanhangers het hy nie n fout gemaak nie.

 

Owen, ek dink dit is belaglik en kinderagtig om so te redeneer. As die ou homselof doelbewus in sy moer in wou ry sou hy seer sekerlik seker gemaak het dat hy nie lewendig uit daai kar uit kan kom nie.

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Owen, ek dink dit is belaglik en kinderagtig om so te redeneer. As die ou homselof doelbewus in sy moer in wou ry sou hy seer sekerlik seker gemaak het dat hy nie lewendig uit daai kar uit kan kom nie.

 

Soos jy aangaan sal mens sweer hy is in n koma en het nie net n ligte stampie teen sy kop gekry nie. 

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Dit kan 'n "design" fout ook wees, jy weet daai kar is maar soos 'n laslappie kombers. (TIK)  Dit gaan blykbaar heel goed met hom so kom ons kyk of sy mechanics en engineers vir ons kan vasstel wat daar gebeur het.

 

Hy sou al teen die tyd die kar blameer het. Dit is sy styl.

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Soos jy aangaan sal mens sweer hy is in n koma en het nie net n ligte stampie teen sy kop gekry nie. 

 

Ag Owen, jy is fokken kinderagtig man. Dis nie eens die moeite werd om verder hieroor te agumenteer nie.

 

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Ag Owen, jy is fokken kinderagtig man. Dis nie eens die moeite werd om verder hieroor te agumenteer nie.

 

Fok jou ook Vlagman. Sodra Alonso n fout maak mag mens niks sê nie. Volg jou maaitjie se voorbeeld. 

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Fernando Alonso's testing crash in his new McLaren-Honda has triggered wild speculation about the cause.

So far, McLaren is saying nothing about Fernando Alonso's mysterious accident in testing at Barcelona yesterday, except that it was a "normal" crash necessitating medical checks.

"Fernando's accident was just one of those things that happens in testing," said team boss Eric Boullier.

"Inevitably, some media reports have sought to exaggerate the severity of the incident – it was just a normal testing accident."

However, paddock insiders and eyewitnesses insist that aspects of the Alonso crash remain unexplained.

McLaren did not return to the track on the final day of Barcelona running, despite Boullier admitting the crash had not damaged the MP4-30 "particularly badly".

He added: "It was enough of an impact to warrant quite a lengthy check of the gearbox and power unit systems. Given the time needed to carry out such an analysis, we decided to bring the curtain down on our test a few hours earlier than anticipated."

Not much damage to car

Photos also do not depict heavy damage to the car, despite reports Alonso was initially unresponsive and then had to be sedated for his trip to hospital.

"Why does a photographer report that his head was bent to the side before the crash?" German correspondent Ralf Bach wrote on his blog f1-insider.com.

"And why so much secrecy from McLaren-Honda?"

Sebastian Vettel was travelling directly behind Alonso at the time of the crash, and he said the sight of the slow-moving McLaren suddenly swerving into the wall was "strange".

"It did not look like an accident," he said. "He then bumped a few times down the wall until I lost sight of him."

Wild speculation in Germany

The German newspaper Bild is also asking questions, particularly after F1 newcomer Honda's recent troubles with its electronic energy-recovery systems.

"Was Alonso unconscious or drowsy already because he inhaled toxic battery fumes?" its report speculated. "Did he receive an electric shock?"

Even the authoritative Auto Motor und Sport reported: "Photographers reported that it looked as though Alonso deliberately steered into the wall."

Manager blames gust of wind

Alonso's manager Luis Garcia Abad denied that dizziness could have been the cause of the crash.

"There was a tremendous wind," he told Spanish reporters, "and it pushed him against the wall."

That theory was initially ridiculed by insiders, but Toro Rosso rookie Carlos Sainz also crashed at Turn 3 on Sunday, and he blamed the "very high" and "very inconsistent" wind.

Abad also played down suggestions of suspension or front wing failure, insisting "The impact with the wall caused everything else".

"Everything happened in a normal situation for Formula One," he said.

"Anyway it's not the time to talk about this. There is a man in hospital.

"We have not talked to him (Alonso) about it but we know that everything happened in conditions with a normal car."

As for Vettel's comments that the crash was "strange", Abad answered: "Mr Vettel can say what he wants to say, that's fine."

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Fok jou ook Vlagman. Sodra Alonso n fout maak mag mens niks sê nie. Volg jou maaitjie se voorbeeld.

Of hy 'n fout gemaak het of nie is nie ter sprake nie. Jy het voor gegee dat die man probeer selfmoord pleeg het. Ek neem aan dat dit veronderstel was om tong in die kies gesê te gewees het maar dit was na my mening in uiterse swak smaak. Indien jy egter ernstig is met jou selfmoord teorie vererger dit net nog meer.

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Of hy 'n fout gemaak het of nie is nie ter sprake nie. Jy het voor gegee dat die man probeer selfmoord pleeg het. Ek neem aan dat dit veronderstel was om tong in die kies gesê te gewees het maar dit was na my mening in uiterse swak smaak. Indien jy egter ernstig is met jou selfmoord teorie vererger dit net nog meer.

 

Die man het n stampie teen die kop gekry en makeer niks nie. Ek het niks voorgegee nie ek het net n stelling gemaak. 

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Die man het n stampie teen die kop gekry en makeer niks nie. Ek het niks voorgegee nie ek het net n stelling gemaak.

O. So jy het dus nie voor gegee dat hy probeer selfmoord pleeg het nie. Jy het dus 'n stelling gemaak dat dit inderdaad sy bedoeling was. Dit is nou as ek bogenoemde reg verstaan.

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.@McLarenF1 confirm as I suggested this morning that @alo_oficial was caught out by understeer & a cross wind

 

Niemand hier het gese dat Alonso nie dalk n fout gemaak het nie en dat dit dalk n design fout kon wees nie...... maar om te se hy wou selfmoord pleeg is fucked up!.....

 

Gedurende dieselfde toets was vettel ook in n spin betrokke niemand het toe gese hy wou fokken selfmoord pleeg nie.... ek kan nie glo hoe uiters fucked up die stelling is nie!

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O. So jy het dus nie voor gegee dat hy probeer selfmoord pleeg het nie. Jy het dus 'n stelling gemaak dat dit inderdaad sy bedoeling was. Dit is nou as ek bogenoemde reg verstaan.

 

In formule een jaag mense soms aspris in n muur vas. Ons kan maar net bespiegel oor die oorsaak. Soos ek gesê het hy het dit of moedswillig gedoen of hy het n fout gemaak.

 

 

The Renault Formula One crash controversy, dubbed Crashgate by some in the media,[1][2] is a sporting scandalperpetrated by the Renault F1 team who ordered Nelson Piquet, Jr. to crash deliberately during the 2008 Singapore Grand Prix, in order to gain a sporting advantage for his Renault team-mate Fernando Alonso.[3]

On 28 September 2008, on the fourteenth lap of the Singapore race, the Renault R28 driven by Piquet crashed into the circuit wall at turn seventeen, necessitating a safety car deployment. This allowed the other Renault driver, Fernando Alonso, to make an early pitstop and subsequently gain the advantage to win the race after starting 15th on the grid. Piquet described his crash at the time as a simple mistake.

After being dropped by the Renault team following the 2009 Hungarian Grand Prix, Piquet alleged that he had been asked by the team to deliberately crash to improve the race situation for Alonso, sparking an investigation of Renault F1 for race fixing by Fédération Internationale de l'Automobile (FIA), the Formula One governing body. After an investigation, Renault F1 were charged with conspiracy on 4 September, and were to answer the charge on 21 September 2009.

On 16 September Renault stated that they would not contest the charges, and announced that the team's managing directorFlavio Briatore, and its executive director of engineeringPat Symonds, had left the team.

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McLaren have confirmed that a mechanical fault was not to blame for Fernando Alonso's testing crash on Sunday which resulted in the Spaniard being airlifted to hospital.

The team have confirmed that the 33-year-old is making a speedy recovery from the accident, but is likely to remain in hospital for a second night as a precaution.

"We are pleased to confirm that Fernando Alonso is making a solid recovery in hospital, and is chatting to family, friends and hospital staff," read a statement.

"In hospital a thorough and complete analysis of his condition was performed, involving CT scans and MRI scans, all of which were completely normal.

"In order to provide the privacy and tranquillity required to facilitate a peaceful recuperation, he is being kept in hospital for further observation, and to recover from the effects of the medication that successfully managed his routine sedation yesterday."

The "strange" crash, as it was described by Sebastian Vettel, has generated several rumours as to what may have caused Alonso to suddenly veer right into the trackside wall.

McLaren has dismissed those claims and says a mechanical fault wasn't to blame, but high winds and a sudden loss and then regaining of traction led to Alonso hitting the wall.

"Over the past 24 hours, we have been carrying out a detailed analysis of the damage to Fernando’s car, and its associated telemetry data, in order fully to understand the cause, or causes, of his accident. Even at this early stage, we have been able to reach some firm conclusions.

"His car ran wide at the entry to Turn Three – which is a fast uphill right-hander – allowing it to run onto the Astroturf that lines the outside of the track. A consequent loss of traction caused a degree of instability, spitting it back towards the inside of the circuit, where it regained traction and struck the wall side-on," explained the statament.

"Our findings indicate that the accident was caused by the unpredictably gusty winds at that part of the circuit at that time, and which had affected other drivers similarly (eg, Carlos Sainz Jnr).

"We can categorically state that there is no evidence that indicates that Fernando’s car suffered mechanical failure of any kind. We can also confirm that absolutely no loss of aerodynamic pressure was recorded, which fact indicates that the car did not suffer any aerodynamic loss, despite the fact that it was subjected to a significant level of g-force. Finally, we can also disclose that no electrical discharge or irregularity of any kind occurred in the car’s ERS system, either before, during or after the incident.

"That last point refutes the erroneous rumours that have spread recently to the effect that Fernando was rendered unconscious by an electrical fault. That is simply not true. Our data clearly shows that he was downshifting while applying full brake pressure right up to the moment of the first impact – something that clearly would not have been possible had he been unconscious at the time.

"Our data also confirms that Fernando’s car struck the inside concrete wall, first with its front-right wheel and then with its rear-right. It was a significant lateral impact, resulting in damage to the front upright and axle.

"After the initial impact, the car slid down the wall for about 15 seconds before coming to a halt. All four wheels remained attached to the car, but no damage was sustained by the bodywork or crash structure between the front and rear wheels."

Alonso may not partake in the third and final test, with McLaren due to make a decision nearer the time, allowing for the two-time champion to make a full recovery.

"We intend to give him every opportunity to make a rapid and complete recovery, and will evaluate in due course whether or not he will participate in the next Barcelona test.

"We wish Fernando a very speedy recovery. As and when we have further updates to share, we will of course do so.

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O. So jy het dus nie voor gegee dat hy probeer selfmoord pleeg het nie. Jy het dus 'n stelling gemaak dat dit inderdaad sy bedoeling was. Dit is nou as ek bogenoemde reg verstaan.

 

James dit help seker nie dat my post verander word na klagtes nie, maar ander mense kan nog oor die selfmoord bespiegel? 

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"We can categorically state that there is no evidence that indicates that Fernando’s car suffered mechanical failure of any kind. We can also confirm that absolutely no loss of aerodynamic pressure was recorded, which fact indicates that the car did not suffer any aerodynamic loss, despite the fact that it was subjected to a significant level of g-force

 

 

Hoekom het hy so stadig gery volgens Sebastian? Hier is iets nie reg nie maar die waarheid sal nog uitkom.

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Fok mense, daar is n klomp gissings op hierdie stadium, niks konkreet, behalwe dat die man harsingskudding het. Sulke beserings gebeur daagliks op die rugbyveld. Om dit met Schumi se besering te vergelyk is absurd. Om Owen oor sy stelling te verkla by admin is n verregaande. Julle is besig om molshope tot berge te verklaar!

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James dit help seker nie dat my post verander word na klagtes nie, maar ander mense kan nog oor die selfmoord bespiegel? 

 

Maak nogal sin - kom ons los nou die bespiegelings en wag vir die "waarheid".

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Stem James, maar die geneigdheid om n effens polieties onkorrekte stelling aan die groot klok te hang is onvanpas. Ons is veronderstel om volwassenes te wees, maar elke nou en dan word n bohaai gemaak oor nonsense. En nou praat ek nie van hierdie geval alleen nie EN ook nie van die betrokke partye nie. Ek verstaan dat mense goed anders vertolk en ervaar as ander, en het geen probleem daarmee nie, maar niemand is belaster of beledig nie, so ek verstaan werklik nie die bohaai nie.

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Draad, so 'n tyd gelede was daar 'n moerse bohaai op hierdie einste forum toe daar afgelei was dat Alonso onsportief, disrespekvol en die fok weet wat nog alles, was teenoor Vettel. Dit alles omdat hy nie vir Vettel op kamera geluk gewens het met 'n wen nie.

Nie te lank gelede nie het Owen gesê hy is 'n doos. En jy het so ewe "geklop" by die opmerking. Nou het Owen besluit hy het probeer selfmoord pleeg. Ek het gedink, en ek dink nog steeds, dit is onvanpas. Ek sal jou 'n brief gee dat, indien dit Vettel in daai kar was, en ek of Viva het so 'n opmerking gemaak sou 'n paar ouens hulle gelyk toe gekak het.

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