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6 hours ago, Docker said:

I think the players asked to go home after the tampering. M Marsh said that they were cooked. But when you are highly paid professionals representing your country you don't roll over and play dead especially after your teammates have shamed the team and the country. The tampering was disappointing but the lack of effort thereafter was a bigger crime.

Only Pat Cummins would make it into a composite side IMHO which is damning.  

 

Wow, Shane's laying it down....but then again people who live in glass houses...

But he is correct - CA needs urgent corrective "surgery".

Sydney - Spin king Shane Warne has called for more heads to roll over Australia's embarrassing tour of South Africa, saying the game's top brass must also be held accountable. 

READ: Why Faf, Ottis deserve page in history

The drama-filled four-Test tour was won by the Proteas 3-1 with a crushing 492-run win in the final match in Johannesburg on Tuesday, handing them their first series victory at home against Australia since 1969/70. 

A ball-tampering scandal during the third Test in Cape Town claimed the scalps of former captain Steve Smith, David Warner and Cameron Bancroft, who have all been suspended for up to a year, while coach Darren Lehmann quit in the aftermath. 

Warne said the bloodletting should not stop there. 

"Australia have a lot of questions to answer and I believe heads must roll on and off the field," he wrote on Instagram, having been a broadcast commentator for the last two Tests. 

"Australia need new people who are passionate about the game in charge, but understand the game. 

"Australia can be a force again, but need the right people involved. There is a huge opportunity now for players and people to be leaders. All positions are in jeopardy and need to be looked at, heads must roll." 

Warne put the heat on Cricket Australia chief executive James Sutherland and team manager of performance Pat Howard while analysing the series defeat, Fox Sports reported. 

"Every single position on the field, off the field, starting from James Sutherland at the top, Pat Howard who is in charge of cricket excellence, all these people," Warne was quoted as saying. 

"The coaches. Batting coaches - when are we going to produce a good batsman? 

"All these people need to be (held accountable), saying 'right - are they good enough for that position? Who else have we got to take their position?'" 

The Australian Cricketers' Association on Tuesday said the culture of Australian cricket must be addressed by an independent inquiry examining the game from top to bottom, reporting to both the players' union and Cricket Australia. 

"Organisational culture comes from its leadership and it comes from the top. It cannot be grafted onto the bottom," president Greg Dyer said, as pressure grows for the role of cricket's top executives to also come under the spotlight. 

"Let us identify all the causes of the tipping point that occurred in Cape Town."

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49 minutes ago, Hawk_Eye said:

Wow, Shane's laying it down....but then again people who live in glass houses...

But he is correct - CA needs urgent corrective "surgery".

Sydney - Spin king Shane Warne has called for more heads to roll over Australia's embarrassing tour of South Africa, saying the game's top brass must also be held accountable. 

READ: Why Faf, Ottis deserve page in history

The drama-filled four-Test tour was won by the Proteas 3-1 with a crushing 492-run win in the final match in Johannesburg on Tuesday, handing them their first series victory at home against Australia since 1969/70. 

A ball-tampering scandal during the third Test in Cape Town claimed the scalps of former captain Steve Smith, David Warner and Cameron Bancroft, who have all been suspended for up to a year, while coach Darren Lehmann quit in the aftermath. 

Warne said the bloodletting should not stop there. 

"Australia have a lot of questions to answer and I believe heads must roll on and off the field," he wrote on Instagram, having been a broadcast commentator for the last two Tests. 

"Australia need new people who are passionate about the game in charge, but understand the game. 

"Australia can be a force again, but need the right people involved. There is a huge opportunity now for players and people to be leaders. All positions are in jeopardy and need to be looked at, heads must roll." 

Warne put the heat on Cricket Australia chief executive James Sutherland and team manager of performance Pat Howard while analysing the series defeat, Fox Sports reported. 

"Every single position on the field, off the field, starting from James Sutherland at the top, Pat Howard who is in charge of cricket excellence, all these people," Warne was quoted as saying. 

"The coaches. Batting coaches - when are we going to produce a good batsman? 

"All these people need to be (held accountable), saying 'right - are they good enough for that position? Who else have we got to take their position?'" 

The Australian Cricketers' Association on Tuesday said the culture of Australian cricket must be addressed by an independent inquiry examining the game from top to bottom, reporting to both the players' union and Cricket Australia. 

"Organisational culture comes from its leadership and it comes from the top. It cannot be grafted onto the bottom," president Greg Dyer said, as pressure grows for the role of cricket's top executives to also come under the spotlight. 

"Let us identify all the causes of the tipping point that occurred in Cape Town."

No one takes Warney too seriously in these parts. Think David Campese and rugby.

Warney played a large role in forming the current culture of the national side so for him to weigh into this debate is laughable. Apart from a poor attitude and no spine the biggest problem with this side isn't that they aren't much good and have to resort to cheating. All these scandals blow over quickly - Cronje was hardly missed and it was business as usual within a couple of months. You just need to jettison the bad eggs and move on.   

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Smith is taking his medicine and not appealing.

He should take the time out to experience life outside the cricket bubble and get a better perspective on life

 

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1 minute ago, Docker said:

Smith is taking his medicine and not appealing.

He should take the time out to experience life outside the cricket bubble and get a better perspective on life

 

He's hoping Baldrick will appeal and get a reduction which might carry over to him, whilst still taking his medicine in the eyes of the public.

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1 minute ago, taipan said:

He's hoping Baldrick will appeal and get a reduction which might carry over to him, whilst still taking his medicine in the eyes of the public.

Exactly. All about PR. 

The Warners have engaged their own PR agent which doesn't seem to be working out too well to date

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Sadly, being a good cricketer does not guarantee a healthy psychological profile.  I am aware that some folk see the subject as mambo-jumbo but a decent PPA has never hurt anyone, but have enhanced a lot of leadership and assisted organisations to grow and sport is no different.

Professional sport where betting is allowed (or even underground betting) will always be a target and if players are not strong willed and uncompromising in their values they will be a target for these syndicates who stand to lose or make a lot of money.

I am of the opinion, just like with Hansie, that there is more to this than just the will to win.  Clearly the implicated cannot and probably never will acknowledge it because harm will come to them or their families.  These syndicates are very resource full and will think nothing of it to create an accident or a "suicide".

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