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Owen Meany    552

Moreover, AB has been batting at number five while averaging 57 as a keeper-bat. He hasn’t been going in when the bowlers are dog-tired and the second new ball is a rag, as a number seven will often do if his top-order batsmen have performed.

And by batting as high as five he has allowed two rookie batsmen to bed into South Africa’s Test side at numbers six and seven to enhance the team’s development.

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Owen Meany    552

Well either Fanie is stupid, or AB is stupid.

The effects that keeping have on batting are too well documented and have been proven over and over on this forum as well.

 

VES WITH THE BAT WHILE ALSO KEEPING WICKET

 

Much of de Villiers’ international career has also been spent shouldering an incredible workload as wicketkeeper while batting in the top five for his country. But that doesn’t seem to worry him — he averages more with the bat in matches he keeps wicket than in matches where he doesn’t. De Villiers has worn the gloves in 23 of his 98 Test matches, averaging 58.26 with the bat in those fixtures — more than six runs per innings higher than his career mark. But the difference in ODI cricket is phenomenal — in 58 ODI’s as wicketkeeper, his average skyrockets to 70.54, more than 18 runs above his overall average.

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Owen Meany    552

Owen, die paaltjie wagter spel sal altyd 'n faktor wees, so ook kapteinskap. Wat opgeweeg moet word is die volgende: Gaan die negatiewe impak van AB se kolfwerk op paaltjie wagter groter wees as die posetiewe impak van 'n ekstra kolwer in die span? Volgens Taipan en baie ander is die negatiewe impak potensieel groter. Ek het nog nie werklik genoeg gesien om te besluit nie. AB lyk egter sielkundig 'n bietjie broos en paaltjiewagter en kapteinskap kan sy kolfwerk beduiwel. Ek hoop egter hy bewys my verkeerd.

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Owen Meany    552

Ek erken Owen. Ek het reeds op die ander draad gese dat hy baie meer in beheer lyk in hierdie beurt as die vorige een en ja, dit was 'n goeie vangskoot. Ek het dit al voorheen gese (net soos in die geval van 'n sekere renjaer - hehehehe) as hy my uiteindelik verkeerd bewys, sal ek dit erken, maar in hierdie stadium voel ek nog steeds dat hulle baie vinnig 'n paaltjiewagter moet kry. En na my mening is QdK die man.

 

Hoe voel jy op hierdie stadium Vlaggie?

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vlagman    914

Baie tevrede dankie. Ons moet net in gedagte hou dat hy die laaste drie jaar maar 20 toetse gespeel het en soos die Ingelse sê: The jury is still out. Kyk hoe lank was die jurie uit oor Vettel. :36_11_6:

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Owen Meany    552

Baie tevrede dankie. Ons moet net in gedagte hou dat hy die laaste drie jaar maar 20 toetse gespeel het en soos die Ingelse sê: The jury is still out. Kyk hoe lank was die jurie uit oor Vettel. :36_11_6:

 

Ons moet net in gedagte hou dat hy die laaste drie jaar maar 20 toetse gespeel het  :36_11_6:

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vlagman    914

Presies. Ses toetse per jaar. Baie van hulle het hy nie lank agter die paaltjies deurgebring nie en in 'n paar het hy nie eens gekolf nie. Ek het gekyk. Ek was net nie lus om vir jou al die statistiek te gaan uithaal nie. Ek weet mos nou al hoe verander jy jou storie as die realiteite jou in die oë staar. LOL

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Owen Meany    552

Presies. Ses toetse per jaar. Baie van hulle het hy nie lank agter die paaltjies deurgebring nie en in 'n paar het hy nie eens gekolf nie. Ek het gekyk. Ek was net nie lus om vir jou al die statistiek te gaan uithaal nie. Ek weet mos nou al hoe verander jy jou storie as die realiteite jou in die oë staar. LOL

Vlaggie ons kan hom ongelukkig net beoordeel op die toetse wat hy gespeel het. Sy gemiddelde met die kolf as paailtjiewagter het verbeter. Dink net hoe hoog dit sou gewees het indien hy meer kon speel.

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Docker    437

 

VES WITH THE BAT WHILE ALSO KEEPING WICKET

 

Much of de Villiers’ international career has also been spent shouldering an incredible workload as wicketkeeper while batting in the top five for his country. But that doesn’t seem to worry him — he averages more with the bat in matches he keeps wicket than in matches where he doesn’t. De Villiers has worn the gloves in 23 of his 98 Test matches, averaging 58.26 with the bat in those fixtures — more than six runs per innings higher than his career mark. But the difference in ODI cricket is phenomenal — in 58 ODI’s as wicketkeeper, his average skyrockets to 70.54, more than 18 runs above his overall average.

 

 

As an Aussie fan I don't mind him keeping. He had Michael Clarke back problems at one stage and he only lasts to 33 like Clarke it will be a godsend to international bowlers. Plus he is most dangerous fielder inside the circle and if he is standing behind the stumps with the gloves on it removes any chance of him effecting a game changing run out. Playing him as a keeper does allow another proper batsmen or bowler to be played but if Berhandian is the next best batsman it seems a pointless exercise.

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Arlecchino    503

Perhaps testament to AB de Villiers phenomenal talent is the extent to which this debate has prattled on.

 

Last night at Buffalo Park de Villiers butchered a stumping off Duminy who is just short of his best as a spinner and needs the confidence that such a dismissal would have brought.

 

It may also be said that de Villiers missed two catches. true both were sharp, but world class keepers make their reputation taking those.

 

de Villiers is a stopper at best and if de Kock is a better keeper, then play the keeper. Why play van Wyck in the team when he is not in the ODI WC squad? Sure he is on standby for de Kock but surely it is better to give Parnell or Phangiso a run against this mediocre Windies mob? We have batters enough to see off the West Indies "attack", we need to allow Duminy and others get in and bat for a decent period.

 

Talking of Parnell - somebody tell me why he is a better bet than McLaren or Wiese? 

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taipan    1,432

Or Stiaan van Zyl?

I know we are told officially that there no quotas, but I sometimes wonder if there is an unofficial one.

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Arlecchino    503

I sincerely like the variation that Parnell and Tsotsobe bring to an attack, but when a player is not up to snuff he must go back to grade cricket to up his level.

 

Parnell must get a game in both PE and Centurion. A good test of two extreme conditions.

 

You are right about Stiaan van Zyl as he is in reality an allrounder.

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