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Dawie Theron names first u20 training squad for next cycle


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#21 Soriejoernal

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 12:21 AM

You are right about Marx. He could be in with a shout as well. Think Petersen will start as right wing looks week but they could go with Cheslin Kolbe at 14 though.

Do you feel Sefontein is hogging too much of the ball and going crash ball this season like Frans Venter does often at 12 ?

The decision for 13 is a big decision forgetting Swanepoel for a moment. Fisher is 100kg, quick and powerful runner but Geduld is not that big but has a touch of genius about him. Outplayed both Jan Serfontein and Burger Odendaal who are both far bigger than him in the u19 Currie Cup final.


Every Blue Bull #12 is being utilized as a ball career Olivier,Venter & Jan soon also Rohan Janse Van Rensburg will be part of that clique. A sort of openside flanks role that your Alberts, Jaque Potgieter, Botha are doing

Jan did that the entire IRB JWC, that's why he had the most carries, line breaks, tries & meters gained but his excellent, his bigger then most of his peers so it works out for him & if its going to ripe results, let it be

But once he faces the bigger older lads he will struggle

Don't forget there is Ruwellyn Isbell aswell at wing he recently represented the blitz bokke @ the Gold coast 7s & did well, Kolbe reminds of Aplon can cover both wing & FB, the 2 wings will be Peterson & Isbell in my opinion

That #13 jersey is up for grabs whoever impresses Brandon Venter & Theron best at these camps will take it
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Posted 07 November 2012 - 10:47 AM

Every Blue Bull #12 is being utilized as a ball career Olivier,Venter & Jan soon also Rohan Janse Van Rensburg will be part of that clique. A sort of openside flanks role that your Alberts, Jaque Potgieter, Botha are doing

Jan did that the entire IRB JWC, that's why he had the most carries, line breaks, tries & meters gained but his excellent, his bigger then most of his peers so it works out for him & if its going to ripe results, let it be

But once he faces the bigger older lads he will struggle

Don't forget there is Ruwellyn Isbell aswell at wing he recently represented the blitz bokke @ the Gold coast 7s & did well, Kolbe reminds of Aplon can cover both wing & FB, the 2 wings will be Peterson & Isbell in my opinion

That #13 jersey is up for grabs whoever impresses Brandon Venter & Theron best at these camps will take it


A squad of 28 is chosen. The last WC split was 15 forwards (5 loosies,4 locks, 2 hookers, 4 props with Steph Du Toit down as lock but can cover loose-forward) and 13 backs (2 scrum-halves, 2 fly-halves, 3 centres, 4 wings, 2 full-backs with Howard down as wing and can cover centre and Schmidt down as full-back and can cover fly-half)

I think Sergeal Petersen is a definite for the 14 jersey as an u18 player this year because the right wing position is weak. Think Pollard, Mabuza and Schoeman have huge chances making it with Pollard being in the last squad and number 6 and number 1 being weak positions in the squad as well. So Kriel, Janse Van Resnburg, JL Du Preez & Marx are all hugely talented but may struggle to make it due to strength in their positions.

Isbell has competition with JP Lewis (captained WP u19 a couple of times and got 8 u19 CC tries) & Seabelo Senatla (got 7 u19 CC tries and played for the Cheetahs u21s a couple of times) for left wing.
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Posted 07 November 2012 - 04:28 PM

A squad of 28 is chosen. The last WC split was 15 forwards (5 loosies,4 locks, 2 hookers, 4 props with Steph Du Toit down as lock but can cover loose-forward) and 13 backs (2 scrum-halves, 2 fly-halves, 3 centres, 4 wings, 2 full-backs with Howard down as wing and can cover centre and Schmidt down as full-back and can cover fly-half)

I think Sergeal Petersen is a definite for the 14 jersey as an u18 player this year because the right wing position is weak. Think Pollard, Mabuza and Schoeman have huge chances making it with Pollard being in the last squad and number 6 and number 1 being weak positions in the squad as well. So Kriel, Janse Van Resnburg, JL Du Preez & Marx are all hugely talented but may struggle to make it due to strength in their positions.

Isbell has competition with JP Lewis (captained WP u19 a couple of times and got 8 u19 CC tries) & Seabelo Senatla (got 7 u19 CC tries and played for the Cheetahs u21s a couple of times) for left wing.


Thabo Mabuza is #6 Flank & With Roelof Smit & Kwagga
Smith there( both are bigger & have had more competitive rugby) don't think Mabuza will cut it, at 1.82 94 kg

If 5 loosies are picked as the last competition I would expect
8)Ruan Steenkamp
7)Jacques Du Plessis
6) Roelof Smit

With Andrew Van Tonder. & Kwagga as the back ups

Another loosie who might came into contention is the injured Johan Meyer of the Sharks

Players like Jl Du Plessis & his bro still got another year of high school still so they'll wait

True about kriel & Rohan they too might have to wait but I believe Marx can cut it he bigger,fitter,faster then the likes of Morne & Kirsten...Sa Schools 1st choice last year Eugene is very unlucky
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Posted 07 November 2012 - 07:01 PM

Is Orrie the kid that never got a single minute on the field for the Baby Boks - if it is him, he is far too light for a lock even for U20 rugby - a liability and hence getting no game time - I suspect he was a non merit selection, considering Ettienne Oosthuizen never made the Baby Bok squad. Hell this lad played S15 and CC rugby
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Posted 07 November 2012 - 08:33 PM

Is Orrie the kid that never got a single minute on the field for the Baby Boks - if it is him, he is far too light for a lock even for U20 rugby - a liability and hence getting no game time - I suspect he was a non merit selection, considering Ettienne Oosthuizen never made the Baby Bok squad. Hell this lad played S15 and CC rugby


I can assure you he is not a non-merit selction Saffex. Saw him play in the u21 Currie Cup Final as an u19 and was very very impressive. Called the shots in the line-outs and was very good in open play. Ask Soriejournal or anyone else. Has a big chance of being the Bok U20 skipper next year.
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Posted 07 November 2012 - 08:37 PM

Thabo Mabuza is #6 Flank & With Roelof Smit & Kwagga
Smith there( both are bigger & have had more competitive rugby) don't think Mabuza will cut it, at 1.82 94 kg

If 5 loosies are picked as the last competition I would expect
8)Ruan Steenkamp
7)Jacques Du Plessis
6) Roelof Smit

With Andrew Van Tonder. & Kwagga as the back ups

Another loosie who might came into contention is the injured Johan Meyer of the Sharks

Players like Jl Du Plessis & his bro still got another year of high school still so they'll wait

True about kriel & Rohan they too might have to wait but I believe Marx can cut it he bigger,fitter,faster then the likes of Morne & Kirsten...Sa Schools 1st choice last year Eugene is very unlucky


What about WP U19 forward of the year Justin Benn who has trained with WP senior team this year? Highly rated. Can see him making it at the expense of Kwagga Smith. Good point on Mabuza. Just not sure on the ability of Roelof Smit as I haven't seen him or heard much.

Freddie Kirsten and Eugene Le Maitre should be the hookers with u18 Malcolm Marx possibly jumping the older pair.
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Posted 07 November 2012 - 08:49 PM

I can assure you he is not a non-merit selction Saffex. Saw him play in the u21 Currie Cup Final as an u19 and was very very impressive. Called the shots in the line-outs and was very good in open play. Ask Soriejournal or anyone else. Has a big chance of being the Bok U20 skipper next year.


We cant play a lightweight lock against sides like England, NZ and Oz......if he is a good player he should be playing 7, not lock.

I dont get why he was selected for the Baby Boks if he was the only player not to even make the bench. I think I know the answer, he is too light
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Posted 07 November 2012 - 08:51 PM

I can assure you he is not a non-merit selction Saffex. Saw him play in the u21 Currie Cup Final as an u19 and was very very impressive. Called the shots in the line-outs and was very good in open play. Ask Soriejournal or anyone else. Has a big chance of being the Bok U20 skipper next year.

What about WP U19 forward of the year Justin Benn who has trained with WP senior team this year? Highly rated. Can see him making it at the expense of Kwagga Smith. Good point on Mabuza. Just not sure on the ability of Roelof Smit as I haven't seen him or heard much.

Freddie Kirsten and Eugene Le Maitre should be the hookers with u18 Malcolm Marx possibly jumping the older pair.


I see the one lock, Tucker I think is 2.06m and 115kg.......he is only 19
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Posted 07 November 2012 - 09:12 PM

We cant play a lightweight lock against sides like England, NZ and Oz......if he is a good player he should be playing 7, not lock.

I dont get why he was selected for the Baby Boks if he was the only player not to even make the bench. I think I know the answer, he is too light


Not sure on his weight but I do remember it was something ridiculous last year on SA rugby and I think it must be a mistake as he is definitely no lighty !

He is very good in the line-outs. You will see it eventually.
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Posted 07 November 2012 - 09:13 PM

I see the one lock, Tucker I think is 2.06m and 115kg.......he is only 19


Thats quite a presence. From my old school Rondebosch but at the Sharks now.

Can't believe WP's Jean Kleyn isn't there. Will get the call-up eventually.
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Posted 07 November 2012 - 09:18 PM

Thats quite a presence. From my old school Rondebosch but at the Sharks now.

Can't believe WP's Jean Kleyn isn't there. Will get the call-up eventually.


Kleyn is a big boy to 2.02m and 110kg

Visser in the squad is 1.98m and 118kg
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Posted 07 November 2012 - 10:29 PM

Marvin Orie he will probably Skipper the team next considering the following
-At 19 he managed to play for the BB u21 team ahead of large group players & called the line out shots
-He was captain of Tuks young guns team that won the Varsity u20 cup
-He was headboy of Tygerburg

Thanks for reminding me about Justin
Benn another one in with a shot

Pitty that Supersport didn't cover the u19 CC cup like in previous year & even the SA Schools games could've showed why certain players are there in the 1st place
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Posted 08 November 2012 - 07:03 PM

Bit harsh this draw. How about Group C getting away with murder ?

Tough JWC draw for Junior Springboks


Defending champions South Africa was on Thursday drawn alongside hosts, France, England and the USA when the International Rugby Board and the Fédération Française de Rugby announced the venues, pools and match schedule (attached) for the IRB Junior World Championship 2013 in France between June 5-23.

The Championship is firmly established as one of the most eagerly anticipated events on the annual international Rugby calendar, showcasing the future stars of Rugby and the host nation in a competition that serves up a feast of excitement and highly-competitive matches to a television audience in more than 160 nations.

The 2013 format will feature three venues with each hosting a pool. Stade Henri Desgrange in La Roche-sur-Yon will host Pool A matches.

The Stade de la Rabine in Vannes will host Pool B, while Rugby World Cup 2007 host venue Stade Pascal Laporte in Nantes will host Pool C matches.

The semifinals and IRB Junior World Championship Final will be played in Vannes. The pools have been set on rankings based on results at the previous Championship and hosts France, courtesy of their sixth-place finish in 2012, will face defending champions South Africa, England and IRB Junior World Rugby Trophy 2012 winners USA in Pool A.

JWC 2012 runners-up New Zealand, Ireland, Australia and Fiji are in Pool B, while Wales head Pool C which also includes Argentina, Scotland and Samoa.

The Junior Springboks will open the tournament on Wednesday, 5 June against the United States in La Roche-sur-Yon. Four days later they face powerful England at the same venue and then end their pool commitments against hosts, France, on June 13.

The 2012 Championship in South Africa set the benchmark for future hosts to follow with record attendance and broadcast figures, while 35 000 fans saw history being made as South Africa defeated New Zealand to become the first team other than the Baby Blacks to lift the coveted trophy in the five-year history of the event.

France 2013 aims to stamp its own mark on hosting the Championship with the venues set to showcase Rugby to the people of northern France, while an inspiration programme will aim to grow participation within the region.

The 2013 JWC pools:

Pool A: South Africa, France, England, USA

Pool B: New Zealand, Ireland, Australia, Fiji

Pool C: Wales, Argentina, Scotland, Samoa
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Posted 20 November 2012 - 11:48 AM

A 38-man training squad has been chosen for the 2nd training camp from 2 DEC to 9 DEC.

Players not there like Dries Swanepoel (13) & John-Ben Kotze (12) are injured. Sharks forward of the year Andrew Van Tonder (7) may be injured as well. Ruwellyn Isbell (11) is with the SA 7's but even if he wasn't I'm not sure if he would have made it. Not sure where lock Jean Kleyn (4) is either. Expected u18 Sergeal Petersen (14) to join Handre Pollard as u18s in the squad.

14 Bulls, 8 WP, 6 Sharks, 4 Lions, 3 Cheetahs, 3 Leopards


15: Cheslin Kolbe (WP), Jacques Rossouw (Bulls)
14: Sylvian Mahuza (Leopards)
13: Tyler Fisher (Sharks), Justin Geduld (WP)
12: Jan Serfontein (Bulls), Harold Vorster (Lions), Marnus Tack (Leopards)
11: JP Lewis (WP), Seabelo Senatla (Cheetahs), Luther Obi (Leopards)
10: Handre Pollard (Bulls), Tim Swiel (WP), Robert Du Preez (Sharks)
9: Hanco Venter (Sharks), Percy Williams (Lions), Stefan Ungerer (Sharks)

8: Ruan Steenkamp (Bulls), Justin Benn (WP), Clyde Davids (Bulls)
7: Jacques Du Plessis (Bulls), Leneve Damens (Bulls), Jurie Van Vuuren (WP)
6: Roelof Smit (Bulls), Kwagga Smit (Lions)
5: Marvin Orrie (Bulls), Dennis Visser (Bulls)
4: Irne Herbst (Bulls), Lourens Erasmus (Lions)
3: Marne Coetzee (Sharks), Andrew Beerwinkel ( Bulls), Luan De Bruin (Cheetahs), Neethling Fouche (Bulls)
2: Frederik Kirsten (WP), Jacques Du Toit (Cheetahs), Morne Du Plessis (Sharks)
1: Justin Forwood (Bulls), Sti Sithole (WP)
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Posted 20 November 2012 - 12:34 PM

Percy Williams is n uitstekende speler.
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Posted 07 January 2013 - 04:19 PM

 Interesting points - They have Swiel down at full-back and not fly-half, Dries Swanepoel is back & Saffex will be happy that Jacques Du Plessis is down as a lock. That is if their positioning is the one given by SA rugby.

 

Junior Boks training squad named

 

South Africa Under-20 head coach Dawie Theron on Monday named 34 players for the latest training camp in preparation for the IRB Junior World Championships to be played in France in June. The Junior Springboks will defend the title won in South Africa last year.

 

The camp, to be held in Stellenbosch between 14 and 27 January, will include trials and friendly matches against the Universities of the Western Cape (UWC), Stellenbosch (Maties) and Cape Town (Ikeys).

 

“This is a very important camp for us,” Theron said.

 

“We need to settle on a squad and this will be another opportunity for us to do so. There are a lot of boxes that we will have to tick in the two weeks of the camp to make sure we are on track.

 

“The trials should confirm our selections and the training matches will give us a better idea of the various combinations available to us. We will also have to settle on our game plan once we have a clear understanding of our playing personnel.”

 

The SA Under-20s will meet UWC on 18 January, Maties on 23 January and UCT on 26 January. The friendlies will be played in Stellenbosch and Cape Town.

 

 

Fullbacks: Cheslin Kolbe, Tim Swiel (DHL Western Province)

 

Wings: Seabelo Senatla (Toyota Free State Cheetahs), Luther Obi, Sylvian Mahuza (Leopards), JP Lewis (DHL Western Province),

 

Centres: Jan Serfontein, Dries Swanepoel (Vodacom Blue Bulls), Justin Gedult (DHL Western Province), Tyler Fisher (KZN)

 

Flyhalves: Handrè Pollard (Vodacom Blue Bulls), Robert du Preez (KZN)

 

Scrumhalves: Kirshwin Williams (MTN Golden Lions), Hanco Venter, Stefan Ungerer (KZN)

 

Loose Forwards: Leneve Dames, Roelof Smit, Ruan Steenkamp (all Vodacom Blue Bulls), Albertus Smit (MTN Golden Lions), Jurie van Vuuren (DHL Western Province)

 

Locks: Dennis Visser, Irnè Herbst, Jacques du Plessis, Marvin Orie (all Vodacom Blue Bulls)

 

Props: Justin Forwood, Andrew Beerwinkel, Neethling Fouchè (all Vodacom Blue Bulls), Luan de Bruin (Toyota Free State Cheetahs), Marnè Coetzee (KZN), Sti Sithole (DHL Western Province)

 

Hookers: Jacques du Toit (Toyota Free State Cheetahs), Devon Martinus (MTN Golden Lions), Mornè du Plessis (KZN), Freddie Kirsten (DHL Western Province)


Edited by Gaz77, 07 January 2013 - 04:19 PM.

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