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51 minutes ago, Hawk_Eye said:

Why does SA not declare?   Are they playing cat and mouse.  Surely the Aussies cannot make the target set already..

It is also about inflicting scars

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12 hours ago, taipan said:

It is also about inflicting scars

For the next series..............:15_8_217:

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13 hours ago, Hawk_Eye said:

Why does SA not declare?   Are they playing cat and mouse.  Surely the Aussies cannot make the target set already..

No need to declare and in no danger of losing. Good time to pad the stats.

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25 minutes ago, J1M1 said:

For the next series..............:15_8_217:

I don't believe the scars theory unless the series are close together. The next time these teams play both teams will be quite different and a lot of water would have gone under the bridge. 

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9 minutes ago, Hawk_Eye said:

 

Chris Cairns, Lou Vincent. Short memories. Good airline though even if you have to pass through Auckland on the way to somewhere decent.

 

 

 

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The "Players Union" steps in...................

Bans handed to Steve Smith, David Warner and Cameron Bancroft should be reduced, the Australian cricketers' union said Tuesday, arguing the punishment was disproportionate to previous ball-tampering cases.

Disgraced former captain Smith and his deputy Warner were suspended from international and domestic cricket for 12 months and Bancroft for nine months over a plot to alter the ball during the third Test against South Africa in Cape Town.

All three players have apologised and accepted responsibility in emotional press conferences after being kicked off the tour and returning home last week.

Australian Cricketers' Association (ACA) president Greg Dyer said "justice which is rushed can sometimes be very flawed", referring to Cricket Australia (CA) handing out its punishment so soon after the incident.

He urged a relaxation of the bans to allow the men to return to domestic action sooner, saying of the dozen or so previous cases the ACA had studied, the most severe punishment was a ban for two one-day internationals.

"These proposed penalties are disproportionate relative to precedent," he told a press conference.

Dyer pointed to the International Cricket Council sanction, which suspended Smith for one Test and docked him his match fee after he admitted responsibility for the ball-tampering scandal.

He also said the contrition expressed by players has been "extraordinary" and should be taken into account. A wave of sympathy for Smith, in particular, has been gathering pace since a heart-wrenching public apology on Thursday, in which he broke down in tears.

"Their distressed faces have sent a message across the globe as effective as any sanctions could be. I think Australia cried with Steve Smith last Thursday, I certainly did," said Dyer.

"We consider that the players need to return to domestic cricket earlier and as part of their rehabilitation." With the 2019 World Cup and an Ashes series in 2019, supporters of the players believe they need to be playing state cricket to be in the type of form that could warrant selection.

All three men have until Thursday to inform Cricket Australia whether they accept their punishment or will opt for a hearing, as is their right.

Dyer also said the "win-at-all-costs" culture of Australian cricket must be addressed by independent inquiry examining the game from top to bottom, reporting to both the ACA and CA. "Organisational culture comes from its leadership and it comes from the top. It cannot be grafted onto the bottom," he said, as pressure grows for cricket's top brass to also come under the spotlight.

"Let us identify all the causes of the tipping point that occurred in Cape Town."  DM

AFP

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14 minutes ago, J1M1 said:

The "Players Union" steps in...................

Bans handed to Steve Smith, David Warner and Cameron Bancroft should be reduced, the Australian cricketers' union said Tuesday, arguing the punishment was disproportionate to previous ball-tampering cases.

Disgraced former captain Smith and his deputy Warner were suspended from international and domestic cricket for 12 months and Bancroft for nine months over a plot to alter the ball during the third Test against South Africa in Cape Town.

All three players have apologised and accepted responsibility in emotional press conferences after being kicked off the tour and returning home last week.

Australian Cricketers' Association (ACA) president Greg Dyer said "justice which is rushed can sometimes be very flawed", referring to Cricket Australia (CA) handing out its punishment so soon after the incident.

He urged a relaxation of the bans to allow the men to return to domestic action sooner, saying of the dozen or so previous cases the ACA had studied, the most severe punishment was a ban for two one-day internationals.

"These proposed penalties are disproportionate relative to precedent," he told a press conference.

Dyer pointed to the International Cricket Council sanction, which suspended Smith for one Test and docked him his match fee after he admitted responsibility for the ball-tampering scandal.

He also said the contrition expressed by players has been "extraordinary" and should be taken into account. A wave of sympathy for Smith, in particular, has been gathering pace since a heart-wrenching public apology on Thursday, in which he broke down in tears.

"Their distressed faces have sent a message across the globe as effective as any sanctions could be. I think Australia cried with Steve Smith last Thursday, I certainly did," said Dyer.

"We consider that the players need to return to domestic cricket earlier and as part of their rehabilitation." With the 2019 World Cup and an Ashes series in 2019, supporters of the players believe they need to be playing state cricket to be in the type of form that could warrant selection.

All three men have until Thursday to inform Cricket Australia whether they accept their punishment or will opt for a hearing, as is their right.

Dyer also said the "win-at-all-costs" culture of Australian cricket must be addressed by independent inquiry examining the game from top to bottom, reporting to both the ACA and CA. "Organisational culture comes from its leadership and it comes from the top. It cannot be grafted onto the bottom," he said, as pressure grows for cricket's top brass to also come under the spotlight.

"Let us identify all the causes of the tipping point that occurred in Cape Town."  DM

AFP

No one else has been dumb enough to take sand paper onto the field.

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53 minutes ago, taipan said:

Ah, the tipping point. 

I guess this is were the blame gets attached to SA.

The tipping point occurred when CA appointed a weak captain (Smith) and Warner as vice captain. A disaster was guaranteed at some future time. SA are to blame for causing these pea hearts to crack. 

 

 

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100 for 7?  Surely they have lost interest and are simply going through the motions? 

Actually this game should have been stopped at the point where the tampering happened and all public tickets refunded at the cost of CA.

 

The game from then on was simply a farce.

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41 minutes ago, Hawk_Eye said:

100 for 7?  Surely they have lost interest and are simply going through the motions? 

Actually this game should have been stopped at the point where the tampering happened and all public tickets refunded at the cost of CA.

 

The game from then on was simply a farce.

Agreed overall. However still going into the records book.

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Time to include SA in the 5 Test "marquee series" set-up?

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37 minutes ago, J1M1 said:

Anyone remember 1934?

cricket Test wins.jpg

Well at least the Proteas hold the record for the 21st Centuary.

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15 hours ago, Hawk_Eye said:

100 for 7?  Surely they have lost interest and are simply going through the motions? 

Actually this game should have been stopped at the point where the tampering happened and all public tickets refunded at the cost of CA.

 

The game from then on was simply a farce.

I think the players asked to go home after the tampering. M Marsh said that they were cooked. But when you are highly paid professionals representing your country you don't roll over and play dead especially after your teammates have shamed the team and the country. The tampering was disappointing but the lack of effort thereafter was a bigger crime.

Only Pat Cummins would make it into a composite side IMHO which is damning.  

 

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Cummins was how i remember real Australian cricketers throughout the series..........imho

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so it goes. What is also wrong is that the stats will never be able to show that in reality the 4th Test was SA vs Pat Cummins.

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